*crosses fingers*

Sach... PLEASE don't take my guy...

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Didn't I read somewhere at the beginning of the draft that if you passed your time limit then one of the commishes would pick for you? Or am I just thinking of the IHOF rules...

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Not trying to stir things... I think we are dealing with this appropriately based on the design of the tool we have.. and I do not think that this is enough reason NOT to use the tool, but perhaps to see if VPI would be willing on adding this for next year IF we want to keep this rule.. but.. from the constitution:

[quoted6c884f]
The rookie draft uses the CFL War Room utility. In the first two rounds, each team has an eight hour time limit to make a selection. In all remaining rounds, there is a two (2) hour time limit. A team that does not select a player within the time limit will slide one pick down in the draft order (a la the Minnesota Vikings in 2003). If a team slides more than five picks down the draft order, the selection will be made by the CPU. [/quoted6c884f]

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Quit stirring things up!

I prefer our rules, but VPI's draft utility. In a perfect world, both could happen. In a less than perfect world, I'll go with the utility. This is an a great utility and the draft has gone quite quickly thus far.

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[quoteaac28aa="Raven Hawk"]Quit stirring things up!

I prefer our rules, but VPI's draft utility. In a perfect world, both could happen. In a less than perfect world, I'll go with the utility. This is an a great utility and the draft has gone quite quickly thus far.[/quoteaac28aa]


This is my thought too... We are proceeding in the best fashion.. the league is smartly being dynamic as better tools become available to us.

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That constitution was not linked anywhere. People do not know the rules since they are not linked anywhere. Under the circumstances, the right ruling was made. The Knights owner has been around. No one is trying to screw him or screw anyone. What if the Knights owner drops out. Would it be fair to say oh we gave you a sucky punter since the previous owner missed the pick?

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[quote635fa51="wademoore"]*crosses fingers*

Sach... PLEASE don't take my guy...[/quote635fa51]


Sorry if I did, Wade!
Drafting for need here.

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Damn you RH!

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[quotec7e93f7="sachmo"][quotec7e93f7="wademoore"]*crosses fingers*

Sach... PLEASE don't take my guy...[/quotec7e93f7]


Sorry if I did, Wade!
Drafting for need here.[/quotec7e93f7]

Funny thing is... I looked at your roster and said "He's gonna go QB..." and that's why I posted it...

Lucky for me, we were targetting different QBs... Harmon was actually 3rd or 4th on my list of the QBs on the board... I hope I made the right choice with Cassidy, as there is a good chance he will be starting for my team this year.

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[quote9158d29="wademoore"][quote9158d29="sachmo"][quote9158d29="wademoore"]*crosses fingers*

Sach... PLEASE don't take my guy...[/quote9158d29]


Sorry if I did, Wade!
Drafting for need here.[/quote9158d29]

Funny thing is... I looked at your roster and said "He's gonna go QB..." and that's why I posted it...

Lucky for me, we were targetting different QBs... Harmon was actually 3rd or 4th on my list of the QBs on the board... I hope I made the right choice with Cassidy, as there is a good chance he will be starting for my team this year.[/quote9158d29]

Both of you bastards forced me into taking a QB. Weatherspoon was last on my list (actually ahead of Harmon for me) of QB's that I wanted. With everything else gone, I had to make my QB pick or forever hold my peace. I REALLY wanted to take something else with this pick.

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RH,

I really would have rathered grab Cassidy with my 4.11, but I just had a gut feeling that there was going to be a shift to QBs before long...

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[quotefe950cc="wademoore"]RH,

I really would have rathered grab Cassidy with my 4.11, but I just had a gut feeling that there was going to be a shift to QBs before long...[/quotefe950cc]

You're right to have done so. I would have taken Cassidy at 3.25 if he was there. He was just above Weatherspoon on my list.

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Wow?!

I got lambasted last year for suggesting shorter times for the later rounds. My take was to either have your utility setup or get moved down the board and out of the way.

Now, we have an awesome utility, which should be able to be retrofitted with some policies/bylaws that would make the drafts fly by...and here we sit discussing the punishment for people who have other things to do.

Hmmm...I say let them do their other things and when they get back into the football frame of mind, they can pop back to the site and see where they're picking. Let them slide baby.

And before I get lambasted again, I suggest everyone setup their list and go do all of the things that rightfully have a higher priority than this game.

[u92cc1aa][b92cc1aa]READS: If everyone used the utility as it was meant to be used, none of these issues would exist.[/b92cc1aa][/u92cc1aa]

Game on beotches!

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Turf:

A problem with that theory in my opinion...

You can only load up to (I think) 20 players? And realistically, you would not want to load too much more than that... with such a short draft time, you run the potential of the tool flying through 15-20 picks in a VERY short time and your pick coming up just a few hours after your previous pick..I just think we set it up too much for missing picks like this, which is why I advocate longer times...

We can not be expected to be in front of the pc all day every day during the draft, and it is not fair to be punsished if you do not.

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[quote1d9a40d="wademoore"]Turf:

A problem with that theory in my opinion...

We can not be expected to be in front of the pc all day every day during the draft, and it is not fair to be punsished if you do not.[/quote1d9a40d]



Ok.

Sounds a lot like what I heard last year.

While I agree with the statement that we shouldn't be in front of the PC all day, isn't that what the utility is all about? Cutting the tether to the PC? With the utility, which is truly amazing this year, you should only have to check every other day or so.

The thread above has everyone making a big deal out of the diference between 3 hours vs. 2 hours on the clock. In the 4th-7th rounds, jumping from 2 hours to 1 hour is the same thing. Last year we had a late round that saw a few people slip their pick because 2 hours (reasonably agreed to by most) was too quick for some teams who could not figure out to use the utility. Instead of 3-4 days to get through a 4th or 5th round, it will take 1-1/2 days at the most. If someone misses a 2 hour window and hasn't already taken advantage of the tool, bumping it to 1 hour isn't going to make much of a difference to them.

With that said, I do see the potential for those rounds going too fast, if everyone used the utility, but we know that won't happen. But, miracles have happened before, and only being able to enter 20 picks would be a considerable limitation.

I'm happy with the speed this year's draft is going and is more along the lines of what my expectations were last year. I just know we will hit the proverbial wall here soon and see this thing slow a bit.

I am actually amazed at the speed of the first 2 rounds, especially with the number of trades executed during the draft. It's definitely been exciting.

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A lot of the reasons the arguments sound the same, is I was the same one making them last year ...

And, just as last year, as long as it is what the majority of the league agrees on, I will go along with it no problems - i am actually fortunate to have a job right now where I can have internet and game access, so it is not a problem..

However, when the chance comes to discuss it, I'll be putting my $.02 out there...

So... I will throw the same scenario out there that I did last year...

Let's say that someone has picks like me... 4.11 and 4.15...

Let's say that I work a job from 8-5 where I do not have internet access... when I wake up, we are at 4.1 ... I REALLY want a WR, so I load up my top 5 or 6 WRs into the tool, and then a few other players that I want if by some miracle those 5 or 6 WRs are gone... I set the tool to run, and leave for work with the pick at 4.1... 4.11 comes around at noon, and I get my first choice WR! yippee! So, 3 more picks and my 4.15 is up and it's 2:00... I am now on the clock.. if I set the tool to "on" low and behold I get a 2nd WR, even though I wanted one.. or, i set the tool to "once" and I'm on the clock and will get skipped (or commish picked, or next on my list which gets me to WR again) because I cannot make it back to the computer until at least 5:30 or 6:00....

I just do not think that this is fair.. I think this is a great tool, i love it, and have advocated its wonders in many places... however, at this point it does not allow for a way to deal with the scenario of multiple picks close together like that, it just doesn't... so, I think we need to be flexible around it... some may say "it's just a 4th round pick"... but what if it's the 2nd? What if there is a guy that has slipped into the 4th that I REALLY want? Should my team be punished because I have a job that pulls me away from the PC? I don't think so...

Anyway... I understand the logic behind the short time.. but fwiw, again the IHOF draft finished in 3-4 days totaly with this tool, and MUCH longer time limits (MC pasted the IHOF rules)... So, I think having the tool is more the catalyst to a quick draft than the time limits... like you've said, we are not using the time we have anyways...

So... I think it is worth putting up for a vote... maybe everyone votes to keep it the same, if so, so be it.. i'll follow along and debate it again next year ...

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That does make a lot of sense Wade, I didn't think about the double jeopardy aspect.

Doesn't 2 hour time limits pose the same problem then?

I just think your point about longer time limits with a quicker draft points to the same thing I'm getting at.

People need to use the utility.

If everyone used the utility, when someone actually has a good reason to use most of their alotted time, it's not a big deal.

I can see people needing more time in the first 3 rounds, especially with all of the wheeling and dealing that's done with trades, but we proved this year that it doesn't take a long time to do that.

So outside of having some interesting pick scenarios, like the one you mentioned, wouldn't the utility enable the late rounds to go as fast, if not faster, than the earlier rounds?

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[quote4ebb072="TurfToe"]That does make a lot of sense Wade, I didn't think about the double jeopardy aspect.

Doesn't 2 hour time limits pose the same problem then?

I just think your point about longer time limits with a quicker draft points to the same thing I'm getting at.

People need to use the utility.

If everyone used the utility, when someone actually has a good reason to use most of their alotted time, it's not a big deal.

I can see people needing more time in the first 3 rounds, especially with all of the wheeling and dealing that's done with trades, but we proved this year that it doesn't take a long time to do that.

So outside of having some interesting pick scenarios, like the one you mentioned, wouldn't the utility enable the late rounds to go as fast, if not faster, than the earlier rounds?[/quote4ebb072]

Yes, definately....

This is exactly what I'm advocating:

Longer draft windows with "strongly encouraging" the use of the draft tool... as we've seen with thise tool, for the most part everyone is using it extensively.. i mean hell, we've had ONE person go over their 2 hours, that's impressive... So, if we upped the limit for the few folks that may get in a situation like I mentioned (if you look at our draft, there are only a handful of folks that have picks close together, and what are the odds that they are the ones who cannot get to the computer?) then we have a situation that is fair, but can still move quickly..

From my experience, peer-pressure seems to be very effective at promoting use of the draft utility ...

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All in all I think the draft has gone smoother than people are thinking. We've had one issue, that may have been a user error.

The preference list is a great utility. But what I have found, this being my second year, is that the preference list is nice when you know your pick is approaching. Last year I spent alot of real life time analyzing and extracting stats for the draft. Most of it was a waste of time since it was almost impossible to predict who will go when once you get past the first round.

This year I've took a small amount of time to see what I wanted to do in the 1st round and then kind of winged it from there. I've saved myself alot of time and have just checked once every 4 hours or so to see where we are at. I am also having the utility email me as the draft picks are made so I know when I'm getting close to my pick. At that time then I will go set my preference list.

Setting a preference list of 20 players is a waste of time IMO. It doesn't help that you can't move the players up and down on the list. So if you make a mistake you remove and add alot of players which can be cumbersome. All in all it is still a great tool.

I guess my point here is that each owner is going to use the utlity in his own way. It has enough flexibility to make the owner aware of his pick is coming up or have a player picked for you based on your preferences. With today's technology of text-based messages and email to your cell phones, etc... there are many options to stay in the loop.

As long as we know what the rules of the draft are up front, the owners should be able to adjust in some form using the utility to their advantage.

Sorry for the ramblings here. Just my $.02

ARGH!

I really wanted to pick up Wayne or Shields at the 4.11...

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Whew, glad I snagged Wayne when I did, then. I thought about waiting till my fourth round pick, but with Shields already off the board I figured there wasn't much of a chance of him sliding another 32 picks...

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[quoteb6bf52c="JeeberD"]Whew, glad I snagged Wayne when I did, then. I thought about waiting till my fourth round pick, but with Shields already off the board I figured there wasn't much of a chance of him sliding another 32 picks...[/quoteb6bf52c]

. . . And the veteran punters union cries in their milk.

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And I didn't realize that Wayne went to UTEP when I drafted him...SWEET!

Looks like our scouts need to do a better job of scouting the local university. You would think that after back-to-back national championships we would have an eye on their players...

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[quotedc2b6c0="JeeberD"]And I didn't realize that Wayne went to UTEP when I drafted him...SWEET!

Looks like our scouts need to do a better job of scouting the local university. You would think that after back-to-back national championships we would have an eye on their players... [/quotedc2b6c0]

Don't forget to pick up Kim's teammates in later rounds. There are still 3 Miners left. Feel free to take as many as you'd like:

RB Gino Cossell
G Bert Fulcher
G Bruce Kaplan

Enjoy!

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Dang, I thought maybe Shields may be still around.. I tried to trade up and get him but it didn't workout. Oh well, I needed a punter and Knowlton is the second rated guy.

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