I thought I would get the ball rolling on this. I would like to see more time in the later rounds. I know of the pressing need to get things done but I think with a good group of active owners we can get away with this.

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I would like to see less time in the early rounds. 8 hours is too much IMO

I would like to see a rule, like in the GEFL draft, where if you miss a pick.... your time for future picks is reduced.

More time in later rounds? I'm very against that.

Unlike earlier rounds, where you often have to make decisions like BPA vs. reach for a Need, by round 4 there should be a stable of guys at each pick you'd be happy to have, mostly as projects.

In my opinion, there's little excuse not to have the utility stocked from round 4 on with a bunch of guys.

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[quote24e6a08="flere-imsaho"]More time in later rounds? I'm very against that.

Unlike earlier rounds, where you often have to make decisions like BPA vs. reach for a Need, by round 4 there should be a stable of guys at each pick you'd be happy to have, mostly as projects.

In my opinion, there's little excuse not to have the utility stocked from round 4 on with a bunch of guys.[/quote24e6a08]

I agree on both counts.

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[quote0bfd549="Fonzie"][quote0bfd549="flere-imsaho"]More time in later rounds? I'm very against that.

Unlike earlier rounds, where you often have to make decisions like BPA vs. reach for a Need, by round 4 there should be a stable of guys at each pick you'd be happy to have, mostly as projects.

In my opinion, there's little excuse not to have the utility stocked from round 4 on with a bunch of guys.[/quote0bfd549]

I agree on both counts.[/quote0bfd549]

I admit I'm with these two.

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I'm for any rule that prevents the kind of bitching and whining we had to tolerate this year on the forum.

Speed it up early? Sure.

Slow it down early? Whatever.

Make the time limit 5 seconds for rounds 4-7 or even kick someone out of the league for not stocking and turning the utility on? I'm easy baby.

Let's just all agree on what needs to be established so that we can agree that we agree, unless of course, we disagree.

I'm not sure I care how long the draft takes as long as there is something interesting to read between the picks. Posted inpatience that appears 15 minutes after a dude goes on the clock is lame.

Knock the early rounds down to 6 hours to appease those who want to speed it up. If you can't make a decision within 6 hours, then you don't deserve the pick. If you can't get to your PC when you think your 6-hour window will show up, turn on the awesome utility we have. If you're working on a deal, say so, and maybe we can have a contingency timer that gives you the time you need to complete the deal.

Add a half-an-hour to make those who want extra time in the later rounds happy. I personally like extra time in the later rounds to find the real gems. In 2007 I found DT Phil Weaver and this year I found FL Corwin Poole. Both boomed. I'm going to apply the same principle next year to see if it is by design or simply coincidence. Unfortunately, it takes me time to run through my overanalysis to find these late rounders. Honestly, I don't care how much time we have for any round since we all have the same amount of time.

Ok, I feel better now. Let's just figure something out so the forum can be more tolerable next draft.

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I would like to have a real "live" draft where all the owners are in a chatroom and can send private messages to each other and teams have 15 minutes on the clock. Maybe only for the first round or two but it would speed things up and be a very cool thing.

I think the biggest stumbling block would be getting every owner online at the same time. I myself work early am hours so most of our live sims are too late for me. Saturday morning would be great for me but not sure it would work for everyone else.

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[quotec7d3f83="Condors"]I would like to have a real "live" draft where all the owners are in a chatroom and can send private messages to each other and teams have 15 minutes on the clock. Maybe only for the first round or two but it would speed things up and be a very cool thing.

I think the biggest stumbling block would be getting every owner online at the same time. I myself work early am hours so most of our live sims are too late for me. Saturday morning would be great for me but not sure it would work for everyone else.[/quotec7d3f83]

While this is a great idea, I think it is likely logistically impossible.

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Here is what I propose:

8 hour time limit for 1st round.
4 hour time limit for 2-3.
3 hour time limit for 4-7.

If you go over your time limit twice, the rest of your picks go to 'auto'.

If you trade for a pick while it is on the clock, you have 30 minutes for your pick.

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[quote6ba5d07="wademoore"]Here is what I propose:

8 hour time limit for 1st round.
4 hour time limit for 2-3.
3 hour time limit for 4-7.

If you go over your time limit twice, the rest of your picks go to 'auto'.

If you trade for a pick while it is on the clock, you have 30 minutes for your pick.[/quote6ba5d07]

I especially like the 30-minute time limit for a pick received in trade (while on the clock) for 2 reasons:

a) There probably was time spent working out the deal. Based on the simplex format of PM's, even simple trade talks take time.

b) You shouldn't need more than 30 seconds to make your pick if you traded for it while it was on the clock, as you are usually trading up for a specific player. 30-minutes is perfect.

Great ideas Wade!

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[quote73d74e7="TurfToe"]I'm for any rule that prevents the kind of bitching and whining we had to tolerate this year on the forum.

Speed it up early? Sure.

Slow it down early? Whatever.

Make the time limit 5 seconds for rounds 4-7 or even kick someone out of the league for not stocking and turning the utility on? I'm easy baby.

Let's just all agree on what needs to be established so that we can agree that we agree, unless of course, we disagree.

I'm not sure I care how long the draft takes as long as there is something interesting to read between the picks. Posted inpatience that appears 15 minutes after a dude goes on the clock is lame.

Knock the early rounds down to 6 hours to appease those who want to speed it up. If you can't make a decision within 6 hours, then you don't deserve the pick. If you can't get to your PC when you think your 6-hour window will show up, turn on the awesome utility we have. If you're working on a deal, say so, and maybe we can have a contingency timer that gives you the time you need to complete the deal.

Add a half-an-hour to make those who want extra time in the later rounds happy. I personally like extra time in the later rounds to find the real gems. In 2007 I found DT Phil Weaver and this year I found FL Corwin Poole. Both boomed. I'm going to apply the same principle next year to see if it is by design or simply coincidence. Unfortunately, it takes me time to run through my overanalysis to find these late rounders. Honestly, I don't care how much time we have for any round since we all have the same amount of time.

Ok, I feel better now. Let's just figure something out so the forum can be more tolerable next draft.[/quote73d74e7]

I applaud TT for this post.

I was more displeased with all the whining going on than the time ot took people to pick. I was away for several days and still found the time to get things done, except for a 2-hour lapse at 6-4. I was around for the 6-7 pick and found that my 6-4 was selected for me, which I understood and was OK with in order to keep things moving.

I actually prefer not to turn on the utility, because I would prefer to spend my time to analyze a few picks and make the selection, rather than analyze 10 picks in advance. For me it's less time consuming. It's just my way of thinking. Don't get me wrong, I love the utility and VPI does a great job with it. It's just a matter of how I choose to do my draft process.

I am definitely against any rule change that would limit a person's time for the entire draft. I would rather see somehting similar to what the NFL does. If the time expires, the next person can make their selection and so on. When the lapsed party returns, he can pick at any time for that lapsed pick.

It keeps it moving along within the time constraints the league has already AGREED upon and it hopefully prevents furhter "mob" sessions in the forums.

Sorry, for the long post, just got a nerve twitch!

I like everything that Wade said, however I'd be in the camp for a shorter first round and keeping rounds 4-7 at 2 hours.

[quote9be1b7b="TurfToe"]

b) You shouldn't need more than 30 seconds to make your pick if you traded for it while it was on the clock, as you are usually trading up for a specific player. 30-minutes is perfect.

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Unless you're Fargo and trade for a pick on the clock, and then try to deal it.

[quote7c4dc3b="Stinger"]I am definitely against any rule change that would limit a person's time for the entire draft. I would rather see somehting similar to what the NFL does. If the time expires, the next person can make their selection and so on. When the lapsed party returns, he can pick at any time for that lapsed pick. [/quote7c4dc3b]

Only problem with that is limitations of the tool....

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[quote9d34fea="wademoore"][quote9d34fea="Stinger"]I am definitely against any rule change that would limit a person's time for the entire draft. I would rather see somehting similar to what the NFL does. If the time expires, the next person can make their selection and so on. When the lapsed party returns, he can pick at any time for that lapsed pick. [/quote9d34fea]

Only problem with that is limitations of the tool....[/quote9d34fea]

I don't pretend to know anything about coding or how these tools are made so its just a general question.. would it be difficult for that to be added to the draft-o-matic? It is in Dave's war room tool, so maybe it is possible. Of course, there isn't the need for skipping people in the IHOF, so it probably hasnt been looked at.

[quote7ac8e6e="Joe"][quote7ac8e6e="wademoore"][quote7ac8e6e="Stinger"]I am definitely against any rule change that would limit a person's time for the entire draft. I would rather see somehting similar to what the NFL does. If the time expires, the next person can make their selection and so on. When the lapsed party returns, he can pick at any time for that lapsed pick. [/quote7ac8e6e]

Only problem with that is limitations of the tool....[/quote7ac8e6e]

I don't pretend to know anything about coding or how these tools are made so its just a general question.. would it be difficult for that to be added to the draft-o-matic? It is in Dave's war room tool, so maybe it is possible. Of course, there isn't the need for skipping people in the IHOF, so it probably hasnt been looked at.[/quote7ac8e6e]

It may be a matter of.... for lack of a better way of putting it.... can we expect VPI to put the time into doing the coding?

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I wouldnt expect it or any more changes really, he has added quite a bit more functionality since the previous iteration of the tool, and it works great. So I don't think so... at least, until the IHOF drafts start dragging.

[quote09a8a74="Joe"]I wouldnt expect it or any more changes really, he has added quite a bit more functionality since the previous iteration of the tool, and it works great. So I don't think so... at least, until the IHOF drafts start dragging. [/quote09a8a74]

wouldn't count on that...

any delays warrant a lynching for us over on IHOF...

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[quoteaa6d6a7="wademoore"][quoteaa6d6a7="Joe"]I wouldnt expect it or any more changes really, he has added quite a bit more functionality since the previous iteration of the tool, and it works great. So I don't think so... at least, until the IHOF drafts start dragging. [/quoteaa6d6a7]

wouldn't count on that...

any delays warrant a lynching for us over on IHOF...[/quoteaa6d6a7]

How do we get that mentality over here?

[quote5a53a4b="TLK"][quote5a53a4b="wademoore"][quote5a53a4b="Joe"]I wouldnt expect it or any more changes really, he has added quite a bit more functionality since the previous iteration of the tool, and it works great. So I don't think so... at least, until the IHOF drafts start dragging. [/quote5a53a4b]

wouldn't count on that...

any delays warrant a lynching for us over on IHOF...[/quote5a53a4b]

How do we get that mentality over here? [/quote5a53a4b]

1st step would be getting the owners to actually use the draft tool.

Yeah.. it's a bit of a weird beast...

you have to have REALLY active owners... as much as I love the cfl, we have some owners that are somewhat absentee..

the other piece is.. well.. frankly... peer pressure... the first couple of drafts went the way this one did where people who held it up got berrated and ridden.... the next time, they tended to use the tool more...

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[quote2dca48a="TLK"][quote2dca48a="wademoore"]

wouldn't count on that...

any delays warrant a lynching for us over on IHOF...[/quote2dca48a]

How do we get that mentality over here? [/quote2dca48a]

I propose one lynching to make an example out of somebody, and I imagine everyone else will just fall in line after that.

[quote522c735="timmynausea"]I propose one lynching to make an example out of somebody, and I imagine everyone else will just fall in line after that.[/quote522c735]

I second this proposal and further suggest that we lynch Ronnie Tu.

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[quoteb0ba770="Joe"][quoteb0ba770="TLK"][quoteb0ba770="wademoore"]
wouldn't count on that...

any delays warrant a lynching for us over on IHOF...[/quoteb0ba770]

How do we get that mentality over here? [/quoteb0ba770]

1st step would be getting the owners to actually use the draft tool.[/quoteb0ba770]

Well, I think the first lynching we have would take care of it.

BTW, who's this Round 0 guy, he's been on the clock for quite some time - did MrBug change his name?!

*whine* *bitch* *whine*

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