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Author:  Cheesehead Craig [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:50 am ]
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OK, it's after the draft and I need to try and address this as the draft has gone from fun to frustrating. There can be talk about people using their preference lists, but the biggest issue is that the timeframe for rounds is simply too long. We don't need 8 hours for a first round pick and we sure don't need 4 hours for the 6th or 7th rounds either. Here is my proposal:

[ic5d0c77][bc5d0c77]TIME LIMIT[/bc5d0c77]

In the first and second round, each team has a four (4) hour time limit to make a selection. In the third, fourth and fifth round, each team has a two (2) hour time limit to make a selection. In the sixth and seventh round, each team has a one (1) hour time limit to make a selection. If a trade is made for a pick while it is on the clock, the time limit is reduced to 30 minutes. If a team goes over their time limit twice, their time limit becomes zero (0) for the rest of their picks.

Teams will only be "on the clock" during official draft hours, from 8:00 a.m. EST to Midnight.[/ic5d0c77]
Author:  Stretch [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:50 am ]
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I agree with the above.

The draft this year took way too long from Round 5 on.
Author:  TLK [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:11 am ]
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I'd vote in favor of this.
Author:  Masked [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:22 am ]
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I strongly oppose this. The draft took one week from when it was scheduled to start which isn't bad. The problems we have are due to people not using the utility.

I don't have access to the game at work; therefore, its hard to work trades or adjust my draft based on what positions have been picked during working hours. The current pace is ideal because it gives me a chance to adjust at the beginning and end of each day.
Author:  Doug5984 [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:35 am ]
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I'd vote in favor of this, since the only hold ups are people not using the utility it will speed things up while still giving people enough time in the early rounds to make some trades if need be.
Author:  Hoosier [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:30 pm ]
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Author:  Shooter [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:52 pm ]
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I am opposed to this rule change as well. Real life needs to take precedence and I don't feel 4 hours or 2 hours is enough time is some situations. In my opinion, work and time zone differences alone are reason enough to leave things where they are.

We need to find a way to encourage more use of the utility in all rounds. One of the biggest issues is the lengthy delays incurred due to owners talking trade and waiting for repsonses to trades. We have quite a bit more in trades than in the NFL. I would guess that owners don't turn on the utility to allow time for trade talk.

I'm pro using the utility more especially if you know you will be away and not have game access. If you know you will be online and monitoring the draft, I don't see an issue not using the utility so you can survey the board before picking.
Author:  TLK [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:21 pm ]
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My problem with the draft is that it is the same teams holding it up.... round after round.... year after year. I'd say stay with the current rules, but with addendum that if you miss a pick... your utility must remain on and loaded (if nothing else.... loaded with BPA's).
Author:  TLK [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:25 pm ]
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[quotec09a617="Hoosier"]
The only thing I'd like to see is a little more civility and sportsmanship when someone makes a move by thinking outside the box. A g.m.'s move is his to make and cheap shots aren't all that appreciated. A "guide" is just that, a guide and not a biblical revelation of fact.[/quotec09a617]

Oh man... we're not allowed to have opinions now?
Author:  Fastcat [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:02 am ]
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[quote3b99c51="Hoosier"]I'm not sure a rule change is needed. Real life does happen outside of the FOF world and I like the flexibility the time limits allow.

The only thing I'd like to see is a little more civility and sportsmanship when someone makes a move by thinking outside the box. A g.m.'s move is his to make and cheap shots aren't all that appreciated. A "guide" is just that, a guide and not a biblical revelation of fact.[/quote3b99c51]


Guess the "Press" will have to come out and do all the trashing! :D
Author:  fantastic flying froggies [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:36 pm ]
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[quoteb2a933c="TLK"]My problem with the draft is that it is the same teams holding it up.... round after round.... year after year. I'd say stay with the current rules, but with addendum that if you miss a pick... your utility must remain on and loaded (if nothing else.... loaded with BPA's).[/quoteb2a933c]

Exactly what I was going to suggest.

No reason to hurt everybody when it seems only a few teams are responsible for the holdups (whatever the reasons, some of which may be quite reasonable).

How about a strike system? First offense, your clock goes from 8 hours to 4 hours, second offense from 4 to 2 hours, 3rd offense you're on autopick for the remainder of the draft.

Seems a much fairer system to me.
Author:  Cheesehead Craig [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:30 pm ]
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I mostly wanted to get some discussion going about the draft. I love the draft, but it's that there were 2 whole days where we had 4-5 total picks. That's gotta change.
Author:  TurfToe [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:00 pm ]
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I say we make a list of those who hold up the draft. When we get the first annual CFL convention off the ground, we can line up those on the list and the rest of us get to give them a free shot in the wumpy. Then we hit the strip clubs...
Author:  daedalus [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:07 pm ]
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[quote9b03f49="Hoosier"]The only thing I'd like to see is a little more civility and sportsmanship when someone makes a move by thinking outside the box. A g.m.'s move is his to make and cheap shots aren't all that appreciated. A "guide" is just that, a guide and not a biblical revelation of fact.[/quote9b03f49]i'm not following this.
Author:  Fastcat [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:31 pm ]
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We go through this every post draft, and nothing ever changes with the draft!!! Wade is right, this league is what it is. The only way I see it going any faster is scheduling it for 3-4 days. We then finish it in that time frame or Taco goes in and sets everyone to auto pick and if no one is in the utility they get Best Available on board. That should be enough incentive to stock the utility and/or get the draft done quicker :lol:
Author:  TurfToe [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:44 pm ]
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[quote500587f="Hoosier"]The only thing I'd like to see is a little more civility and sportsmanship when someone makes a move by thinking outside the box. A g.m.'s move is his to make and cheap shots aren't all that appreciated. A "guide" is just that, a guide and not a biblical revelation of fact.[/quote500587f]

Speaking of guides, did you read the one that came with your CFL New GM Kit? Yes, you joined [i500587f]that[/i500587f] CFL. :wink:

While my shots are free, they are far from cheap. As a matter of fact, I spend more time preparing for said "shots" than I do on an entire draft. If you don't believe me, just check my record.

Even though the guide included in your CFL New GM Kit is of the "guide" type you mention, my opinions are biblical revelation of fact (BRF) and therefore cannot be challenged, avoided, nor dismissed. Many will claim that these BRF's may be taken with a grain of salt (I recommend 3 grains) but I suggest caution when it comes to salt due to the proven effects it can have on your blood pressure. TT BRF's or salt? It's your choice when it comes to your blood pressure.

I would also like to point out that another "guide", the Kelly Blue Book, lists a 2005 Porsche Carrera GT Roadster at a Retail Value of $394,695.00 (Clickety-Click). While this is simply a "guide", a reasonable person might expect to pay a premium or recieve a discount of 10% of the retail price depending on the market for this resource. However, many find it unreasonable, odd, or worthy of expression when someone rids themselves of such a resource for 1/3 the price listed in a commonly accepted "guide" in the industry. Accepted or not, "guides" are reasonable points of reference and cannot be wholly dismissed. If you don't believe me, go offer $140,000 for a 2005 Porsche Carrera GT Roadster and see what the dude says.

All this being said, I champion a GM's right to do whatever he/she feels necesary to suit the best interest of his/her team, despite what is considered reasonable or customarily accepted. That's why we play this game. However, you will also note that I championed this right on the Bill also known as the TurfToe Act of 2009 right after the part where I championed the right for GM's to speak freely on the CFL forums personal feelings, common sense, and common courtesy be damned.

To summarize, my opinion is that your opinion of others' opinions is teh sux0rs. :P
Author:  Cheesehead Craig [ Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:14 am ]
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[quote6280cb4="TurfToe"]I say we make a list of those who hold up the draft. When we get the first annual CFL convention off the ground, we can line up those on the list and the rest of us get to give them a free shot in the wumpy. Then we hit the strip clubs...[/quote6280cb4]
Can't we just combine this with the Rounders Fan Fest?
Author:  dberner30 [ Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:25 pm ]
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im opposed. lets not rush the draft. we had a couple slow spots but it was manageable. the draft is supposed to be fun.

if we want to speed things up i propose we bundle this draft proposal as a package with a sim every day (no exceptions for holidays). The regular season takes too long for my liking.

and i exercise my right as granted by TT Bill BLADDA BLADDA BINGO of something or other to say what i want. those who think the draft is too slow must exercise some patience for those of us that occasionally get tied up by jobs or kids or whatever might come along. For those of you without kids or jobs or whatever imagine a hot chick occupying your time for a day or two. I know this is hard to imagine but bear with me. shit happens. guys will be slow sometimes. give them a break and have some fun.
Author:  Marven [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:20 am ]
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I think the current system works fine. We need the time to negotiate deals and get the players each of our team needs. Some may put in more time than others. I have a full time job with no internet access. I need the time to get home and make my picks. I had as many as 25 people on my list at one time. As the draft goes so goes the flow of talent and picks. Depending on where people go and what positions are hot strongly influences my picks. I like the current system. First and second rounders get the hype, but the foundation of a team is built in the later rounds.
Author:  Shooter [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:53 am ]
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[quote5523b7c="dberner30"]im opposed. lets not rush the draft. we had a couple slow spots but it was manageable. the draft is supposed to be fun.

if we want to speed things up i propose we bundle this draft proposal as a package with a sim every day (no exceptions for holidays). The regular season takes too long for my liking.

and i exercise my right as granted by TT Bill BLADDA BLADDA BINGO of something or other to say what i want. those who think the draft is too slow must exercise some patience for those of us that occasionally get tied up by jobs or kids or whatever might come along. For those of you without kids or jobs or whatever imagine a hot chick occupying your time for a day or two. I know this is hard to imagine but bear with me. shit happens. guys will be slow sometimes. give them a break and have some fun.[/quote5523b7c]

A-Men!
Author:  TurfToe [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:41 am ]
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[quote03ff702="dberner30"]im opposed. lets not rush the draft. we had a couple slow spots but it was manageable. the draft is supposed to be fun.

if we want to speed things up i propose we bundle this draft proposal as a package with a sim every day (no exceptions for holidays). The regular season takes too long for my liking.

and i exercise my right as granted by TT Bill BLADDA BLADDA BINGO of something or other to say what i want. those who think the draft is too slow must exercise some patience for those of us that occasionally get tied up by jobs or kids or whatever might come along. For those of you without kids or jobs or whatever imagine a hot chick occupying your time for a day or two. I know this is hard to imagine but bear with me. shit happens. guys will be slow sometimes. give them a break and have some fun.[/quote03ff702]

Who's the new kid? I like this guy. :wink:

Sorry, the imagination statement deserves a...

[img03ff702]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h145/ ... copter.jpg[/img03ff702]
Author:  dberner30 [ Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:15 pm ]
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[quote9419e3b="TurfToe"][quote9419e3b="dberner30"]im opposed. lets not rush the draft. we had a couple slow spots but it was manageable. the draft is supposed to be fun.

if we want to speed things up i propose we bundle this draft proposal as a package with a sim every day (no exceptions for holidays). The regular season takes too long for my liking.

and i exercise my right as granted by TT Bill BLADDA BLADDA BINGO of something or other to say what i want. those who think the draft is too slow must exercise some patience for those of us that occasionally get tied up by jobs or kids or whatever might come along. For those of you without kids or jobs or whatever imagine a hot chick occupying your time for a day or two. I know this is hard to imagine but bear with me. shit happens. guys will be slow sometimes. give them a break and have some fun.[/quote9419e3b]

Who's the new kid? I like this guy. :wink:

Sorry, the imagination statement deserves a...

[img9419e3b]http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h145/ ... copter.jpg[/img9419e3b][/quote9419e3b]

lol...every so often i try to break off something you might like...if i do it too often i might have to keep an eye out for you in my town...those mancrush things you get seem scary.... :wink:
Author:  baildog [ Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:00 am ]
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The draft is fine, we are never going to find a system to make everybody happy. It is just like X-Mas morning, some kids want to tear through all their crap and some kids have the patience to enjoy it.

We do not all sit at computers all day for work, and setting a list is great, but is ideally not the best way to draft a team. Take a chill pill, relax and let everyone enjoy being able to pick a player or two on their own.
Author:  thater [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:54 pm ]
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The draft is too important to rush. With the quality of GM's in this league, you will rarely find a difference maker type player in in Free Agency. So, the draft is the only real way to improve one's team other then the occasional trade. With no real idea of what time of day your pick will come up, I think the rules and utility we use know do a great job of running the draft without errors, at a reasonable pace, and allows for plenty of trading opportunities. As you can probably tell, most people are more willing to trade picks or trade for picks then they are players or for players. I have been a big defender of not speeding up the draft in the past, but I could see why some would like to a little bit.

I do not like the drop from 8 hours to 4 in the first, the most I can see is to 6 hours.

6th and 7th rounders do not need 4 hours, but I like 2 hours better then 1.
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