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Author:  thenewchuckd [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:09 am ]
Post subject:  2020 draft - 2nd rou
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Pick Name Position Cur Fut Cur Fut Cur_diff Fut_diff
2.1 J.C. Washburn QB 21 55 24 48 3 -7
2.2 Dominic Knowles LDT 31 48 36 47 5 -1
2.3 Terrance Preece FL 30 63 28 54 -2 -9
2.4 Rich Slezak RB 43 51 45 49 2 -2
2.5 Matt Brown FL 30 64 32 57 2 -7
2.6 Byron Whelan RCB 21 70 23 59 2 -11
2.7 Ty Purslow RB 40 43 40 40 0 -3
2.8 Jeff Boyd SE 25 57 28 51 3 -6
2.9 Toby Broderick RB 37 48 40 48 3 0
2.10 Karl Jimenez LT 25 35 29 38 4 3
2.11 Vince Richardson LCB 21 69 24 59 3 -10
2.12 Wendell Noyeaux LCB 30 69 32 59 2 -10
2.13 Terry Austen FS 29 58 35 59 6 1
2.14 Kelvin Powell FB 39 62 44 63 5 1
2.15 Bryant Ricksecker LDE 22 67 26 62 4 -5
2.16 Bryant Terrell LDT 17 47 10 24 -7 -23
2.17 Riddick Rodgers RDE 24 48 27 47 3 -1
2.18 Rufus Brandon FL 11 37 13 35 2 -2
2.19 Cornelius Tozer LT 30 67 31 57 1 -10
2.20 Bruce Gillis TE 28 51 33 53 5 2
2.21 Emmitt Coe LDE 26 65 29 57 3 -8
2.22 Desmond Hetherington LDE 17 59 21 54 4 -5
2.23 Quinn Rodgers C 17 51 23 59 6 8
2.24 Desmond McCarthy FL 23 57 25 49 2 -8
2.25 Bryant Lehmkuhl SLB 34 55 34 50 0 -5
2.26 Sammy Diekoff LT 21 55 24 51 3 -4
2.27 Ben Wells NT 21 53 26 50 5 -3
2.28 Lionel Stotts LG 34 64 36 57 2 -7
2.29 Jeffrey Nicholson WLB 19 56 23 51 4 -5
2.30 Tony Reyman SS 23 68 27 63 4 -5
2.31 Earl Willkens RB 38 58 41 59 3 1
2.32 Emmanuel Graveson RCB 37 50 42 50 5 0
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Author:  thenewchuckd [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:22 am ]
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Hidden gems in the 2nd round:

-Quinn Rogers (C) should one day be a top center in the league.
-Terry Austin (FS) only gained a point but his ratings were already solid.
-Earl Willkens looks to be one of the top RBs in the draft.
-Emmanuel Graveson is probably the best CB taken in the second round (and he went last).

Busts in the 2nd round:

-The 2.1 QB is probably cut material or at best a backup.
-Bryant Terrell is not fit for this league in what was probably a volatility bust.
-All the highly rated CBs look like backups instead of starters.
-Terrance Preece, Matt Brown and Desmond McCarthy were highly rated WRs but will probably be only 3rd receivers at best.
-Cornelius Tozer (LT) dropped 10 points.
-Emmitt Coe looks like a backup DE.
Author:  TurfToe [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:30 am ]
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[quote939c94a="thenewchuckd"]Hidden gems in the 2nd round:

-Emmanuel Graveson is probably the best CB taken in the second round (and he went last).

Busts in the 2nd round:

-All the highly rated CBs look like backups instead of starters.
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I'm not sure this is even close.

Of the CB's taken in the 2nd, Graveson is probably the only one [i939c94a]not[/i939c94a] going to be a starter any time soon. I know that is due to the opportunity they were brought into but it is what it is.

I won't argue that Graveson wasn't possibly the best value pick at the position in that round but he is not good enough (yet) to be labeled as the best corner taken in the second round. While he has the potential to be a major creeper, his skill set is very specific.

Whelan, Richardson, and Noyeaux all have a more robust skill set and are likely going to start this season and hold that spot for some time (barring injuries). Noyeaux will battle McDaniel and Brandon for PT in Oregon but it will be a coin flip at the start of the season between McDaniel and Noyeaux. Noyeaux will be starting opposite Johnson by mid-season at the latest.

In Cleveland, Whelan will supplant Samuels early and be the best corner on the team sometime this season giving Solari the help he needs.

Richardson's development in the preseason will determine how quickly he starts across from the other rookie Thomason. There's not much competition in the Vegas secondary. Even 2nd Team All-League CB Jammer sees the writing on the wall.

Good job! Keep the rest of the diagnosis coming...
Author:  thenewchuckd [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:09 pm ]
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I don't have the experience that you do but in general a -10 drop after training camp is not a good sign, is it? In my limited experience, that's usually a sign of more drops to come (similarly, increases of +5 or more are usually a sign of more increases to come). The only exception seems to be volatility related drops/increases.

I understand it is not as cut and dried as this. However, if these guys were on my roster, I would not be counting on them to hold their value into the future.

I don't think Graveson is a creeper but TC seems to indicate his values will hold. I'm just saying that at 50/50 he is probably the best of the 2nd round as the rest will fall in value as time goes on. However, it is true that I'm only looking at aggregate value. I didn't have time to look at the individual bars of each player.
Author:  MrBug708 [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:27 pm ]
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I didnt set my utility so the 2.1 was a wasted pick
Author:  TurfToe [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:13 pm ]
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[quote36615b4="MrBug708"]I didnt set my utility so the 2.1 was a wasted pick[/quote36615b4]

I'm not sure if you read what you posted but that seems sort of silly. To simply waste the 2.01 by not having the utility set. :smt102

I'm not good at setting a really long list myself (anything more than a round's worth really) but you had a week to list 33 players knowing you would get the first one on the list and any one of the next 32 listed. It's a shame to acknowledge it as a waste...

All that said I thought he was intruiging enough to have taken in the later rounds. Sort of glad I didn't get the chance as I expected more out of Washburn. I can't draft QB's though so that should have told me something when I liked him.
Author:  TurfToe [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:23 pm ]
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[quote415aa3f="thenewchuckd"]I don't have the experience that you do but in general a -10 drop after training camp is not a good sign, is it? In my limited experience, that's usually a sign of more drops to come (similarly, increases of +5 or more are usually a sign of more increases to come). The only exception seems to be volatility related drops/increases.

I understand it is not as cut and dried as this. However, if these guys were on my roster, I would not be counting on them to hold their value into the future.

I don't think Graveson is a creeper but TC seems to indicate his values will hold. I'm just saying that at 50/50 he is probably the best of the 2nd round as the rest will fall in value as time goes on. However, it is true that I'm only looking at aggregate value. I didn't have time to look at the individual bars of each player.[/quote415aa3f]

I didn't see Richardson as a 70 potential corner like the scouting bars indicated but I had him in the high 50's or low 60's which is where he surfaced after TC. The same goes for Whelan and Noyeaux. Richardson's development also suggests that his potential may not be reached but his combine and skill sets tell me he should.

If he didn't gain any current and dropped 10 in TC then I would be worried. Likewise for the other two.

Graveson should continue past 50 considering his current rating and his room for development. He will also be very good as a cover corner if used in the right scheme. I'd take any of these corners in the 2nd if I had to do it over again.
Author:  MrBug708 [ Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:29 am ]
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[quote18e9edf="TurfToe"][quote18e9edf="MrBug708"]I didnt set my utility so the 2.1 was a wasted pick[/quote18e9edf]

I'm not sure if you read what you posted but that seems sort of silly. To simply waste the 2.01 by not having the utility set. :smt102

I'm not good at setting a really long list myself (anything more than a round's worth really) but you had a week to list 33 players knowing you would get the first one on the list and any one of the next 32 listed. It's a shame to acknowledge it as a waste...

All that said I thought he was intruiging enough to have taken in the later rounds. Sort of glad I didn't get the chance as I expected more out of Washburn. I can't draft QB's though so that should have told me something when I liked him.[/quote18e9edf]

I'm not complaining about the speed, I just dont have a job that allows me to check during the day so my window of a draft is just a few hours in the evening. I was hoping we wouldn't make it to me for the second round. It happens, I'm not upset, it just wasn't ideal this time around
Author:  thenewchuckd [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:08 am ]
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[quotec714b8f="TurfToe"]

I'd take any of these corners in the 2nd if I had to do it over again.[/quotec714b8f]

I'll be watching their development to see if you're right. You haven't led me astray yet, so I'm sure you are.

As I said, I don't have the experience as you so this should provide a learning opportunity.
Author:  thenewchuckd [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:12 am ]
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[quotebd43ff4="MrBug708"]

It happens, I'm not upset, it just wasn't ideal this time around[/quotebd43ff4]

Hopefully you've learned to have a back-up plan for future drafts. I hoped to be on for a couple of my picks, too, but it just wasn't possible. That's why I always had lots of guys in my queue.
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